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| okohiored |
Late vegas report-My martingales as midnight predicted were of no sucess.Often I would double or triple my money before I hit the rerrible losing streak.Anyway got my money back plus some playing exotics with the horses.Believe in midnight he predicted my demise. |
2003-07-21 11:53:03 |
| Grifter |
McF - Not really. Just play the High-Low w/indices perfectly and you have a very strong method. |
2003-07-21 11:35:07 |
| McFlaherty |
Grifter - Is there any way I can improve the PE of the hi-lo? Or does it really matter if I'm playing 6D games? |
2003-07-21 10:33:10 |
| Grifter |
McFlaherty - IMHO, do not bother with an ace sidecount when using high-low. |
2003-07-21 10:30:24 |
| McFlaherty |
I've read a couple of articles online that give some conflicting advice as to the value of keeping an ace sidecount. I use the hi-lo counting system, and I was wondering if anybody knew whether it would be worth my time and effort to keep an ace sidecount. |
2003-07-21 10:25:36 |
| sld007 |
bug - Dahl starts over at a new shoe. And Ron T is right about the next bet cannot go up that much if you are risking more than you just won. Here's one thing I do whenever I see someone insuring their BJ...I stand up and scream baakkk, baaaaaaakk, baaakk, baaaaaaaak...because I agree it'a chickenshit play. |
2003-07-21 09:20:52 |
| Ron T |
Bug, with regards to Dahl's progression, my understanding is it continues from shoe to shoe (no starting over on a new shoe). On your second part if you win multiple splits on one hand Dahl says, upon winning double or MORE skip two levels as long as your not risking more than you won. I interpert the MORE as just going up two levels and not multiple levels. With regards to folks taking insurance I have no comment, I've noticed rounds of cards where few or no 10's appeared (with 6 players you should see 2 tens per round) and I have taken insurance which I normally don't do. People can play any way they want as long as they don't tell me how to play. I don't give advice unless asked and then I only tell them how I would play it. There are so many different counting systems with modified BS rules that I just play my game and let them play theirs. |
2003-07-21 03:59:38 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
"Yup gotta laugh at the Stand 16ers aka 'Ploppies' that just sit there and hand over the chips. God forbid you hit a 10-2 vs. a dealer 4... a very, very close play..."
Close play? Idano about that, but it's definitely AGAINST BS to do that close play or not so you shouldn't hit 12 against 4 cuz prob. of dealer busting is higher. Anyway... I wish someone could answer my preceding 2 posts down under!!! |
2003-07-20 22:25:13 |
| paulie57 |
WHOOPS... one more important point about the A5/BS 6D H17 LS method... DO NOT PLAY if the count reaches -8. (Play at -7 or above) --paulie57 |
2003-07-20 18:41:47 |
| paulie57 |
Yup gotta laugh at the Stand 16ers aka 'Ploppies' that just sit there and hand over the chips. God forbid you hit a 10-2 vs. a dealer 4... a very, very close play... or Surrender a Hard 17 vs. a Dealer's Ace in 6D H17 LS. You'll get some weird looks for that one too. In other news, I did a short run of the aforementioned 6D H17 LS on the sim. To use BASIC strategy, coupled with the A5 wager strategy, one has to: 1) start at a -3 count
2) Bet 1-12 as 1-2-4-8-12
3) Play exactly as the BS chart indicates.
The player advantage is only 0.02%... Lets call it essentially an even game. After 180 Million rounds the profit was about 2 Million. Average bet was $46. It looks like the A5 play strategy will have to change as Basic has some changes. --paulie57 |
2003-07-20 18:35:20 |
| Jeff T |
Has this happened to any of you before? I was at a table and it was running very cold, so I left and found a new table. When I finally settled at a $15 table, the one guy sitting at spot 3 started yelling at me saying that I would be bringing the bad luck from the other table over and not to play. Being the nice guy I am (and also being down $100) I obliged and sat out a couple rounds. (Let me also say this guy knew nothing of BS - he was doubling hard 17's and such... all i could do is shake my head) But finally I had enough and wanted to get in on this somewhat hot table, so I was going to set by bet down this guy goes nuts, and says he 's gonna take $25 of his money and bet it on his spot for me, just for me not to play. Okay, fine. Well, about two or three hands later this $25 has become $100. So I asked him for it, and he gave it to me!!! THe dealer and pit boss were just standing there with their jaws dropped... I'm guessing that this occourance doesn't happen too often. |
2003-07-20 18:05:16 |
| Mike |
I don't really mind others who play inconsistant, I do however play the same way all the time, without variation. I tried counting for a while, and did not seem to enjoy the game as much, for what it really is.....gambling. I like to use progressive betting because it seems more fun to me and keeps things exciting for me at the tables. |
2003-07-20 18:01:19 |
| Ron T |
Mike & Bug, I should have said double on the soft 17 as you understood and picked up. I usually don't return a comment or jesture unless I want to piss them off, then I mention the other 12 combination that I hit. That's usually about all it takes for them to leave the table. One guy I jestured with my hands held out as to indicate what are you talking about and he lost it. Even the dealer telling him what I did was the correct strategy didn't cool him down. He left the table swearing. The other patrons looked at the dealer who told them don't sit at 3rd base unless you can take the heat. |
2003-07-20 11:30:45 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Mike, yes that is seriously pretty funny inside that some (most?!) BJ players *never* hit 16's thinking they're gonna actually go somewhere with that against a 10 or Ace showing... I only shudder at their total stupidity and OBVIOUS lack of knowledge on this game that they're stupid enough to bet (and LOSE QUICKLY) their own MONEY with. Then, when they stay on their subserviant 16 and the dealer has a 7 under the hole, you hear some BS excuse like... "man! if only i hit that 16 and got an ace i woulda had a PUSH!!" (and they say they NEVER hit 16's right?!) HaHaHa. But that's not the worst. What *REALLY* bothers me is that THE VAST MAJORITY of BJ players take EVEN MONEY!!!!! *start huge §igh NOW* ... that's so pathetic. And then if you try and tell them doing so is tantamount to taking INSURANCE they'll try to unconceivably rationalize their wrongdoings to try and make it a justified action. I only shudder at their utter stupidity once again. TAKING EVEN MONEY IS JUST LIKE TAKING INSURANCE AND NEVER SHOULD BE DONE UNLESS COUNTING CARDS SINCE YOU'RE BETTING ON THEM HAVING A 10 (< 1/3 Probability!!) IN THE HOLE WHICH IS THE SAME THING LIKE TAKING INSURANCE!!!!! I just want to smack them upside the head everytime I see them do something as totally IGNORANT as that. That by far **HAS** to be my biggest BJ pet peave when it comes to the players. |
2003-07-20 10:37:20 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Ron T, DEFINITELY man... but I want to know how you reply to comments such as "If you hadn't taken that card, the dealer would have gotten that card and busted and we all would have won." <-- Because there HAS to be an ideal response to negative comments blaming us flawless BS players. Being a flawless BS player myself, I usually say a couple of things but I want to know the BEST response to comments such as those. BTW, you said you HIT the soft 17 against his 16... hopefully you meant DOUBLE your soft 17 as *that* is the correct play, and not hitting.
sld!! I did pretty good using the Dahl's progression. I didn't use yours because that other guy illustrated how the reg. Dahl's system was actually better but perhaps I'll try yours. I had a question though about Dahl's Progression... if I had a win streak of 2 and the shoe started again, do I start over at the beginning of the betting progression, or maintain the next level in Dahl's (1.5x first hand). I really think it's the latter, but just want to make sure. Also, one more important thing... I realize you're supposed to SKIP 2 steps when you WIN your double or split... however, what if you have MULTIPLE doubledowns and splits (i.e. get dealt three 8's in a row like what happened to me), are you supposed to skip 2 for EVERY double/split you had? If so, it's possible to jump almost to the END of Dahl's Progression on your first dealing!!! Had some pretty fun times, I actually got UP ~$75 from a $5 table using this system... it's REALLY good for when you have streaks, whether long or short, as well as conserving your winnings in general. VERY NICE. |
2003-07-20 10:28:55 |
| Mike |
Ron,
I too have gotten that "reaction" from people who usually won't hit 16,ever, and I just blow it off and laugh inside. |
2003-07-20 07:31:45 |
| Ron T |
I consider myself a perfect basic strategy player and notice that here in New England, I receive a intimidation comment on my play at 3rd base when I take the dealers breaking card hitting my 12 against his 2 or 3, and hitting a soft 17 against his 6, even though it's the proper play. I estimate that these comments happen to me about 20% of my trips to the blackjack table. I was wondering how many other Basic Strategy players also receive these comments. The comment I'm calling a intimidation comment is similiar to this " If you hadn't taken that card, the dealer would have gotten that card and busted and we all would have won." |
2003-07-20 07:02:54 |
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