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| Midnite |
NorCalBJ- Comps are handled differently at different casinos. Some require a much higher average bet than others do. You didn't say where your friend played or what his average bet was. But what ever it was, I think it was poor business to not comp them breakfast. There is a formula that most casino's use. Average bet X (times) the number of hours played = comp value. Once the corporation's got involved in the casino's, comps got harder to get. Too many bean counters. |
2003-07-13 00:51:54 |
| Midnite |
Doc thanks for the kind words. Yes, at times Grifter and I butt heads, but we are always Friends... Now I love a challenge, but I also know when the deck is stacked against me. So I will have to decline. I do have a collectors edition dollar bill (signed by the Grifter). I won a bet last time we were in Laughlin. I may put it on E-Bay and make some big bucks....(just kidd-n) I better keep it, as it may be the only bet I ever win from him. |
2003-07-13 00:41:43 |
| NorCal BJ |
I have only been to Vegas twice, and not for a while. Most of my play has come elsewhere. I have a question about COMPS.
My buddy was in Vegas and played BJ with his friend for 10 straight hours, 10pm to 8am. They wouldn't even comp him breakfast. Is comping just for high rollers and big losers out there? He won 80 dollars after the whole session. But it seems like that much play deserves at least breakfast. Maybe someone's else's experiences can give me some insight. |
2003-07-12 23:28:01 |
| Doc |
Bug, Desert Dog speaks the truth, you playing first and busting with it not mattering if the dealer busts or not gives the house an 8% advantage in the game. Then all the other rules are 'player advantage' rules, depending on the specific rules of each particular game edging down the house advantage to less than 1%. One of the best rules there is is the 3/2 bonuses for blackjack, it takes 2.25 % right off the top, something everybody should know if they consider playing a 6/5 game, there the house has taken away one of the the best %s. Proper hitting and and standing gives you another 3.25%, proper doubles 1.5%, proper splits .5%, these last 3 are why BS is so important. |
2003-07-12 22:44:28 |
| Desert Dog |
But that IS the answer, Bughouse. Player has to take the chance of busting before dealer, and if player busts, player loses, even if dealer busts. As the ace-ten.com site says: "One very important point: any player who has busted is already out of the game, and does not receive any compensation for his loss, even if the dealer busts. THIS IS WHAT GIVES THE HOUSE ITS EDGE in the game..." |
2003-07-12 21:34:38 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
"Bughousemaster -- next time you bust, and the dealer scoops your bet off the table, and then the dealer busts, ask for your money back. If s/he gives it to you, then the house doesn't have an advantage after all. And tell us the name of that casino."
Uh... you mind not being a SMARTASS about it? I really want to know, and Grifter you're not helping either... so if someone mature could answer me I'd greatly appreciate it, thanks again. Here was my original post:
Someone remind me again WHY THE HOUSE HAS AN ADVANTAGE in the first place. They have to hit on anything under 17, cannot double, split or none of that, so why would that give THEM the advantage, instead of us? I would like a clear and concrete explanation please. Also, someone tell me why playing HEADS UP is NOT better than playing with 6 other people vs. the dealer when playing HEADS UP makes the game 50-50!! It's just you and the dealer, with HIM playing the strict dealer rules, why would it AT ALL give the house *any* advantage?! I believe that the FEWER # of players at a table, the better, and in Best Blackjack, it is said to NEVER play at a table with more then 3 players. Why else would they say that if it isn't true?! It makes sense! |
2003-07-12 20:54:03 |
| Doc |
To Midnite and Grifter, you two guys are one of the main reasons I read this board so its GREAT to see a little philosopical 'head to head' between friends. Let me say this, I will take a piece of that action and personally guarentee my appearance at Treasure Island to insure the pay off if need be. One thing about this issue, if you are going to count you may or may not need a big bankroll adjustment, but you will definitly need an attitude adjustment in regards to your money you are putting in the bet circle. Just this weekend I increased my betting unit and it was a definite gut check to see twice the bet I was used to heading to the dealer rack on losing hands, but with counting you are going to have to see 6 to 10 times that basic unit leave your possession on losing hands. I don't know the true answer on the bank roll, I'm going to let my two friends fight that one out, but I know that one thing you are going to have to adapt to when counting as opposed to flat betting or a carefully thought out progression is the roller coaster your bank roll and your courage will be subjected to if just going up a unit in betting is any indication. |
2003-07-12 20:08:08 |
| Doc |
Paulie57, I went to the site and printed out the material, didn't respond otherwise because I'm in no position to evaluate systems like these as I have still not been able to sit at a blackjack table and bet a single bet yet on the count, I'm slow in the numbers game and am still hoping that it will 'kick in' one of these days like Midnite said it will, just wanted you to know your post had been read and acted on. This method is similar in a way to Renezys A/10 front count in BBII, something he says will let you do a truncated semi-count of the first two decks in a 6 deck shoe that will get the BS player into at least the first .1 of a positive player advantage. |
2003-07-12 19:44:07 |
| paulie57 |
Link is http://www.ace-five.com/ace-five.htm
--paulie57 |
2003-07-12 19:17:58 |
| paulie57 |
About a week ago I posted a message about finding an Ace-Five method of Blackjack play. I did some 250 Million hand runs on the 2-4-6-8 deck games. Just using the ranges originally presented.I have NOT run the optional wager schemes. They all play out very similar to the posted results. Abot 0.4% adv. for 2 & 4 decks. and about 0.25% adv. for the 6 & 8 deck games. The break-even systems were also tested with very small advantages ranging from +0.015 to 0.04%. I would recommend the method as being useful at simply removing the house edge.
--paulie57 |
2003-07-12 19:12:01 |
| Grifter |
Desert Dog - GREAT response, and to all....the moral of the Dawg's response is "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS." |
2003-07-12 15:57:44 |
| Desert Dog |
Bughousemaster -- next time you bust, and the dealer scoops your bet off the table, and then the dealer busts, ask for your money back. If s/he gives it to you, then the house doesn't have an advantage after all. And tell us the name of that casino. |
2003-07-12 15:16:04 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Someone remind me again WHY THE HOUSE HAS AN ADVANTAGE in the first place. They have to hit on anything under 17, cannot double, split or none of that, so why would that give THEM the advantage, instead of us? I would like a clear and concrete explanation please.
Also, someone tell me why playing HEADS UP is NOT better than playing with 6 other people vs. the dealer when playing HEADS UP makes the game 50-50!! It's just you and the dealer, with HIM playing the strict dealer rules, why would it AT ALL give the house *any* advantage?! I believe that the FEWER # of players at a table, the better, and in Best Blackjack, it is said to NEVER play at a table with more then 3 players. Why else would they say that if it isn't true?! It makes sense! |
2003-07-12 15:01:34 |
| Grifter |
Midnite – Don’t try and back-pedal, Hoss. You just proved my point again. You used the words “large bankroll” in your post and then just said “some” say you need a bankroll of $50K for counting. Both are just plain “horse pucky”, and my post this morning said just that…You and most other non-counters are under the misconception that you need “big” money to count. Since I know you let me “lighten this up” and respond with two challenges “just for grins”. (1) Challenge 1: Show me a quote from a LEGITIMATE source that says you need a $50,000 Bankroll to count with a $5 unit for even a whole month’s play (say 10,000 hands) and I will…..Kiss you arse in front of Treasure Island before the midnight pirate show on a holiday weekend. If you can’t find that legitimate source then of course the positions are reversed. (2) Challenge 2: Your post was perfectly clear…..It doesn’t matter if you are talking about a session bankroll, day’s bankroll, weekend bankroll, or a month’s bankroll. They are all proportional, and none require the so called ‘large bankroll’. You posted about bets of over $100 with a $5 unit so here is the second challenge….. I will “stake you” with $1,000, and you go to the Barbary Coast on the Strip and sit down and TRY to spread 1 to 20+ units. I would guess you might last about twenty minutes before you got “86’d”, and if you don’t last four hours then you owe me $2,000 (simple 2:1 odds). Deal on both?? (g). |
2003-07-12 14:51:53 |
| bjcanada |
thanx you guys!i certainly appreciate the answers..
obviously you all know what your talkin about!!
thanx again.. |
2003-07-12 12:50:57 |
| Midnite |
Grifter- I wasn't talking about a $50,000 bankroll (that some say you need for counting). I didn't make it clear I was talking about your session bankroll. "If" you use the recommended spreads, you may have bets of $50 to $100 (or more) on ONE hand. You don't "have to" use them. You could just flat bet and use counting for playing decisions, different from BS. You could also use a much smaller spread, but it wouldn't work very well. |
2003-07-12 12:09:39 |
| Desert Dog |
Good point, Grifter. The ASM's I've seen deliver a full stack of six decks and the dealer then loads them by hand into an ordinary shoe that everyone can see, and per tradition, one player gets to cut the deck, and the shoe gets played down to that cut card. (And in a nod to another tradition in manual shuffling, the first card is burned.) If instead it's an ASM as you describe, counting would be next to useless, same as with a CSM. |
2003-07-12 08:20:49 |
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