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| sld007 |
Going to the Horseshoe in Shreveport July 12. Will have big titted girlfriend (who actually plays and even better understands basic strategy) in tow. Hope to see ya'll there. |
2003-07-03 09:38:36 |
| Desert Dog |
Acepaula -- the full strategy is called "1-2-3 Let It Ride". Base bet is 2 units. Every time you win, increase your next bet by 1, but never bet over 3 except for the "let it ride" exception. Every time you lose, reduce your next bet by 1, but never bet less than 1. Now the exception: Every time you double down or split a pair and win or even just tie your bet, let it all ride one more time. (For example, if my bet was 2 units, and I doubled it to 4 units, and won the double, then leave the original doubled bet and the winnings right there as your next bet, total 8 units.) If you win the let it all ride bet, your next bet should be 3 units. If you lose it, your next bet should be 2 units. |
2003-07-03 09:22:56 |
| Doc |
Desert dog, just re read your post, I misinterpreted this 1-2-3, thought the base was 1 and you went to three looking for 3 wins in a row. I understand now. I'll try this one out tonight on a session and see how it does. |
2003-07-03 09:13:23 |
| Doc |
Desert Dog, I guess that would be called a 'three streak parlay" or 'press' I can never remember the right word. Its more aggresive than Dahl/Thomason. A progression I have been exploring is somewhat the same, slightly more aggresive but is at more risk for a win/loss repeat devestation because you risk an extra unit on the 2nd hand, you salvage it and your original unit if you win the second hand, and play on casino money your 3rd hand. I don't play it the 'super aggresive' way and include any BJ, split or double profit in the following bet, I'll just put those back in the chip pile. If you you win 3 in a row your profit is 8 units. It goes: 1st bet is 1 unit, if you win press the second hand by adding a unit, total bet is 3 units, if you win salvage the 2 units you risked and play the next hand with the casino's 4 units, if you win start over; any loss start over. As in any negative expectation game, this progression will lose over time since the number of predicted 3 streaks is less than 1 in eight hands, but if you are in a game that you can see is favoring the player and is 'streaky' instead of 'regular' you will collect a much bigger win than just flat betting. The key is to have the experiance to recognize the game you are in, something alot of people say is not possible in blackjack unless you have ESP. I have been starting off very conservative, basicly a flat bet, and if I feel the game is going good switch to a more aggresive bet. Does this reduce my house advantage of -.4? Fraid not, the guys at advantageplayer.com are just shaking thier heads, saying 'theres another one', but I'm still hoping a player skilled in the 'intangibles' of BJ could beat a basic strategy robot in the long run. |
2003-07-03 08:37:10 |
| acepaula |
desert dog- I understand the
1-2-3 strategy, but please explain the "let everything ride" rule. |
2003-07-03 08:32:51 |
| Desert Dog |
Back to progressions: On a simulated blackjack game on my PDA where I'm using the 1-2-3 strategy, on a buy-in of 500, I am now up to 800 after 203 hands in which I lost 90, won 88, and pushed 25. My base bet is 20, low 10, high 30. Pretty good result for losing more than winning -- wish it was real. Option settings are 6 decks, double any, dealer Hits soft 17, surrender allowed. A friend played at Bellagio last weekend using 1-2-3 at a $10 minimum CSM table where dealer stands on soft 17. Her buy-in of 100 turned into 500 by the time she left that session. She even followed the "let everything ride" rule after winning splits or doubles. It takes guts. At one point she won on a double when her bet was at $30, so that meant the entire $120 had to stay there in the circle, but it paid off. There are also times I've lost fast and deep on the 1-2-3 progression, either because of a much larger margin of losses over wins, or else where I never got a streak going. As pointed out at ace-ten.com, on a positive progression strategy a 50/50 win/loss will kill you if they alternate rather than run in streaks. |
2003-07-03 07:43:17 |
| Desert Dog |
That explains Midnite's name. Nobody has taken the name Dracula yet. I guess that name best belongs to the Casino. |
2003-07-03 07:39:59 |
| Mr. Ed |
Agreed about the wee hours gambling thing. I used to get up at 2am after going to bed around 6pm and go hit the casino by 3am. Sometime around 6am, I'd say, "well, enough of this, I've got to go to work". Everyone's jaw would drop, thinking I was going straight to work after playing all night. I would laugh and say, "No problem, I feel fine!"......I'm not so smug anymore, I know plenty of compulsive gamblers that gamble all night and go to work with little or no sleep all the time. It's very sad, and not very funny.....Unfortuanately, at my casino, they bus in people for midnight to 8am on weekends, so tables are surprisingly crowded at 6am on a Sunday morning! Wee hours gambling is most effective on schoolnights! |
2003-07-03 06:45:32 |
| Doc |
Midnite, The time you guys play at is one more valuble piece of advise I've picked up from you and Grifter. Since I am just a weekend one day tripper so far, I have been getting off work and taking a long nap, then driving over to the casinos getting there about 2am, the limits are usually back to their lowest levels and you can find lots of open tables. This can be very important if part of your playing strategy is to get off a table if it seems cold, ie 4 losses in a row. Also its just uncomfortable to me to try to squeeze into a table with 5 or 6 people in it, being a big guy. The 4rth hit on the right day this year so I'll be able to head over tonight. |
2003-07-03 06:18:09 |
| Midnite |
I hit the wrong dang button... We want more hands per hour. (Grifter and I) I had a bellman tell me once, "you would be surprised by how many people never even see the inside of their room" I thought I knew what he meant, but asked "You don't mean they nevr sleep, do you" ? He said "No, they lose all their money and leave". Check their bags with the bellman and never see the inside of their room. Now that just can't be any fun. |
2003-07-02 23:10:56 |
| Midnite |
Right you are Desert Dog. We "start" our play in the wee hours. It is always kind of funny, when i am on the people mover in the air port in Vegas, to see people almost running to get to where they are going. I am in no hurry, as the first thing I will do is unpack and take a nap. They are fighting crowds and crowded tables. The crowded tables is better for most of them, as they will get less hands per hour. We want mo |
2003-07-02 23:02:40 |
| Desert Dog |
bjcanada -- it is your responsibility as a Canadian to notify the BC government of this "close at 4 Pm" typo on that page http:// www.vancouvercasinos.com/vancouvercasinos.htm. Your province is losing money, possibly millions that it could be making just from Okohiored alone. People are saying "Hell, I ain't even up by the time they're closed. I'm not going there." On another page it does show closing time as 4am, which makes more sense, though it would still cramp the style of some of our buddies here on this forum. |
2003-07-02 22:40:31 |
| okohiored |
damn it Desert Dog you are correct was thinking use larger martingale 100-200-400-800 to make them beat me 10 in a row than go get a beer. |
2003-07-02 20:53:41 |
| bjcanada |
Desert Dog...gotta be a typo believe they are open 10 am til 2am....tables open at noon or 11 depends on the day...check out "lake City Casinos" or "great west casinos"
you can connect to Kelowna bc thru seattle and alaska air
much nicer here than at the coast
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2003-07-02 20:33:11 |
| Desert Dog |
That's just the problem, okohiored. If your stop point with Martingale is 6 losses, then by that point if your base bet was $10, then you have lost 10+20+40+80+160+320 = $630, and then you say at THAT point you're going to try to recover using FLAT bets?? What size flat bet? To give you any chance of recovery, it will have to be so big that it can still dig you in deeper very fast. I'd rather increase my bets on the casino's money, not my own. |
2003-07-02 20:03:47 |
| okohiored |
Not a minimal return when you win your initial bet each time you win.Trying to incorporate into a system ehere you use it to a certain point when cold like5-6-7- losses than use these losses to set up playing straight bets to recover the cold streak.Currently thinking of quit the martingale after 6 losses than playing flat head up bets trying to recover. |
2003-07-02 19:42:04 |
| acepaula |
the trouble with martindale is your exposure during that cold streak-which is inevitable. |
2003-07-02 19:20:22 |
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