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| Patrick |
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2003-06-25 17:10:50 |
| Desert Dog |
I meant with a soft 18. Sorry again. |
2003-06-25 15:21:22 |
| Desert Dog |
I need to correct something I said in my previous post. With a soft 17, you should only Stand if dealer shows 2, 7 or 8. (I had incorrectly written "2,3 or 7".) Double on dealer's 3 through 6, not so much because 8 plus one card will result in anything great, but because the dealer has a weak up card making him likelier to bust. This doesn't mean you should double on 5-3 or 6-2. The factor that makes A-7 stronger is that an Ace, 2 or 3 will get you 19-21, but if you double on 5-3 or 6-2, these three cards will leave you stranded at 9, 10 or 11. |
2003-06-25 15:19:46 |
| Grifter |
Mr. Ed....Nice post, and I think you would want me to correct you on one minor mistake. You said, " Remember: Overall, an 18 is actually an expected loser,.." That is incorrect. Eighteen is an expected loser against dealer's up card of 2,9,10,A. Against all other cards, eighteen is an expected winner. |
2003-06-25 15:02:25 |
| Mr. Ed |
Bughousemaster: Split 9s vs 2-9,skip 7. The "guaranteed" win of the 18v7 is much more valuable than the "probable" win of two 9s vs 8, since in realtity, the chance of a 10 is only 4/13 (say 1 in 3!) For all other split 9 choices, assume all remaining cards are 10s. By the way, splitting 9s v9 is an expected loser, but standing loses MORE.
A7 18 is more complex. When you double A7, think that you are really putting more money on the table ONLY because you think the dealer will bust (just like you do with 9). Remember: overall, an 18 is actually an expected loser, which is what doubling A7 gets with a 10. Don't double against a 2, becasue the dealer is so unlikely to bust - you'll end up losing with your doubled 18! Hit against 9,10,A, because he problably has 19,20,21, respectively, and your 18 will loose. (in reality, you still expect to lose if you hit, you just lose LESS. Also the dealer is not actually moving toward 21 with his A because the dealer already checked his hole card, but more like 19, which still beats your 18.)
And everyone, please be nice at the table. If someone says, "nice hit", smile and say thank you. Who cares if they are a moron! Never criticise another player - it's their money, they can do what they please-and it will help you as often as hurt you. The number of players at the table has zero effect on the odds - only on how many hands you play (per hour).
I enjoy heads up play - I completely control the pace of the game and dealers are usually happier than players.
If you let a $300 bet ride and you win 10 times in a row, you'll walk out with $300,000. (If you can find a table with a $150,000 max bet.) |
2003-06-25 14:38:37 |
| Midnite |
Bug- you said you played "perfect" basic strategy and then said basic strategy says to stand with 9-9, when the dealer has a 9 top card. That is a SPLIT. Grifter is right, time to get off this thread. Feel free to E-mail me at: midnitegambler@cox.net and I will try and answer your questions. |
2003-06-25 14:33:27 |
| Grifter |
Bug...Let's get this thread 'off the site' because it is taking to much space and saying nothing. (1) Midnite can explain every nuance of BS without even looking at a book. E-mail him at home for questions. (2) E-mail me at home (grifter21@cox.net)and I will go through with you why it is so extremely unlikely your dealer made 300K. But before you e-mail me, do the math I requested in a previous post.....Thanx |
2003-06-25 14:08:56 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Well, he seemed pretty serious and I can tell if a person is giving me a show or telling the truth and it was definitely the latter for him...
Define "play too long"... and why does it matter if you're hungry/angry/tired whatever as long as you play Perfect Basic Strategy like I always do? Dont you think it was just bad luck or what? I fail to see how one can "work on their game" if they already have a counting system and play perfect basic strategy.
Midnight, would you be able to explain the more detailed aspects of why basic strategy says one move is better then another? The one that always got me besides this soft 18 is two 9's... BS says to split always unless dealer shows 7, 9, 10 or Ace. Why the skip between 7 & 9? I think when they show 7 you have to assume they have a 10 under and therefore your 18 will beat their 17, however alternatively they could show a 8 and have a 10 under and you only get a push. Do you about that dealer showing 7 thing? And I am referring to multi-decks, nothing else since I dont think I'll be going to LV for awhile since I got wiped out cold. :( I know most of the other reasons why a particular move is said to be done in other circumstances such as doubling against 3-6 (obviously dealer has the highest chances to bust), etc. |
2003-06-25 14:01:45 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Well, he seemed pretty serious and I can tell if a person is giving me a show or telling the truth and it was definitely the latter for him...
Define "play too long"... and why does it matter if you're hungry/angry/tired whatever as long as you play Perfect Basic Strategy like I always do? Dont you think it was just bad luck or what? I fail to see how one can "work on their game" if they already have a counting system and play perfect basic strategy.
Midnight, would you be able to explain the more detailed aspects of why basic strategy says one move is better then another? The one that always got me besides this soft 18 is two 9's... BS says to split always unless dealer shows 7, 9, 10 or Ace. Why the skip between 7 & 9? I think when they show 7 you have to assume they have a 10 under and therefore your 18 will beat their 17, however alternatively they could show a 8 and have a 10 under and you only get a push. Do you about that dealer showing 7 thing? And I am referring to multi-decks, nothing else since I dont think I'll be going to LV for awhile since I got wiped out cold. :( I know most of the other reasons why a particular move is said to be done in other circumstances such as doubling against 3-6 (obviously dealer has the highest chances to bust), etc. |
2003-06-25 14:01:32 |
| Midnite |
Bug- the number of players at the table do not change the odds. Your mimimum wage (plus tips) dealer, said he won $300,000 and you believed him ? If he can play like that, why is he "still" dealing ? He didn't try to sell you a bridge in Brooklin, did he ? When you lost in Vegas, did you ever: play too long, drink while playing, play when tired, hungry, angry or over bet your bankroll ? If you can answer "yes" to just one of these, you need to work on your game. |
2003-06-25 13:58:28 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Grifter... doesn't always work that way... streaks happen a whole lot in Blackjack... and even if you have a -2% advantage... you are not going to lose all x hands you play. Maybe in 1 HOUR you will end up losing money but who says you have to play for an hour? All you have to do is catch a nice break, win 3 or so games in a row with nice betting and you will be up just like that. That is then the time to quit since you know you are 2% behind the game... if you're up significant money by winning 3 hands in a row with large bets & doubling down all you gotta do is stop. This is the same thing that could've happend to the dealer... he said he "swore to God" he started with $300 and ended up with $300K with the same strategy he was telling me... just to let you know.
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2003-06-25 13:43:19 |
| london player |
bughousemaster;when you say by playing 1 on 1 with the dealer you can lose your money very quickly you can also win very quickly, also just because the dealer is fast it doesn't mean that you have to play fast,i hope this helps. good luck. |
2003-06-25 13:36:54 |
| Grifter |
Bug....Sorry, but is very doubtful that your dealer made $300K, UNLESS he is talking over an extended period of YEARS! I'll give the benefit of the doubt, and you do the math. Let's assume he is a good counter and can maintain a WP (or ER, ROI) of +1.0% and can get away with a spread of 1-8, and can always find a 'heads up' game. That means he will make $1.00 for every $100.00 he bets. You do the numbers and see how many hands he has to play, how many hours he has to play, and what his bankroll has to be to make 300 large. |
2003-06-25 13:30:07 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Coolhand, regarding your question about the "nice hit" comment by other players... yes, that's just a polite comment they say when you end up with a nice hand, particular when you hit totally a very good hand (19-21, for ex.). It's just like when you get dealt a face-up Ace and the dealer pats the felt directly in front of your cards to wish you "luck on that Ace"... of course if you got dealt a 9 from your 13 they wouldn't be saying "nice hit" etc. :) Hope this helps!
Londonplayer: since you play 1-1 against dealer and have good fortune, do you think that it gives the player a much better advantage because it makes the game 50-50 instead of the house getting an advantage like that one dealer told me? What do you think about this? Personally, I do agree that the few players on the table the better your particular odds, but that's just me, and even with this said I still feel heavy-hearted playing the dealer straightup because you're right... the pace is just too fast!!! YOu can lose so much so fast!! |
2003-06-25 13:23:01 |
| Ace |
coolhand: Ever had one of those days where every table you try to play at is filled with morons? For example, the dealer has a 10 showing, and they stand on 14 because "they don't want to bust"? I've been there, and when I finally find a table where someone hits 14 vs. dealer 10, I may say "nice pull" for one or all of three reasons: (1) relief at finding a table where someone knows how to play BJ (2) To congratulate the person who hit 14 and pulled a 7, and finally (3) I may just be trying to establish some rapport or have some fun with the other players at the table. |
2003-06-25 13:22:43 |
| Grifter |
coolhand....Thank you very much for the compliment. That dang ol' Midnite just calls me "old man", not 'the man'. IMHO, I think you are over reacting a 'tad'. I think it is just human nature. (1) In general, I think most players want other players to win, and they are just commenting on your 'good draw'. (2) All players want to beat the house, and they are 'rooting' for you to do it. (3) Rest assured they are not saying it because you took a low card away from the dealer. |
2003-06-25 13:21:04 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Desert Dog, yes, obviously that was the case when that happened to me... would you be able to explain the more detailed aspects of why basic strategy says one move is better then another? The one that always got me besides this soft 18 is two 9's... BS says to split always unless dealer shows 7, 9, 10 or Ace. Why the skip between 7 & 9? I think when they show 7 you have to assume they have a 10 under and therefore your 18 will beat their 17, however alternatively they could show a 8 and have a 10 under and you only get a push. Do you about that dealer showing 7 thing? And I am referring to multi-decks, nothing else since I dont think I'll be going to LV for awhile since I got wiped out cold. :(
I know most of the other reasons why a particular move is said to be done in other circumstances such as doubling against 3-6 (obviously dealer has the highest chances to bust), etc. |
2003-06-25 13:18:48 |
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