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| london player |
desert dog;i love playing just me and the dealer, i win more times than i lose,and then along comes the idiot who thinks they know how to play the game. i don't know what it is like to play in vegas but london must take some beating to find some of the worlds worst players. |
2003-06-25 13:15:22 |
| coolhand |
Grifter, I always felt you are the man! Nice play. First to all the "rookies" or "newbies" to this site please keep this in mind. When playing at a table, mainly the last two or three trips to Vegas, for I wish I had a silver dollar for evertime someone said "nice hit". Perhaps I could be over-reacting to this, but I simply just don't get it. When a player hit's a stiff of perhaps 13 or 14 and catches a 6 or 7, mind you the house has a 8'9 or 10 up, what else is anyone to do? Are they saying it because I caught a decent card, or do they they think I have some sort of ESP, and made the card come out. It really ticks me off somewhat, am I over-reacting to this, but what do they think I was going to do, stand? Perhaps I'm just over-reacting but what is everyone's feeling on this? |
2003-06-25 12:51:58 |
| Desert Dog |
Bughousemaster -- A lot of new and not-so-new players don't understand the big difference between a hard 18 and a soft 18, but I'm still surprised that none of the other six knew that your play was right. Only Stand on a soft 18 if dealer shows 2, 3 or 7. Double if dealer shows 3 - 6, and Hit if dealer shows 9-10-A. Hard 18's of course you have to Stand no matter what. Your nearest casino is a safer distance than mine. My A/C doesn't have time to cool down my car by the time I'm there. Acepaula -- about playing "heads-up" with only the dealer -- I don't like it. Pace is too fast, so the house advantage gets a chance to whack you sooner, and there's no socializing. Whether it helps or hurts the outcome, I doubt it either way. |
2003-06-25 12:01:44 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Yes, Desert Dog is right. That's why it's still gambling even if you have a +25 or so count, LoL... acepaula: Yes, you are correct because according to Best Blackjack, most of the results are based on YOUR decisions, and not what everyone else played, although at a casino if someone splits 20's or hits a hard 16 against a dealers 6 (!!!) you will see all of them give that moron some heat because they just want to have someone to blame when THEY lose their hand. I play perfect Basic Strategy myself with 6 decks @ the nearest casino from me (2 hrs away) & I can still remember the time I was at a full table of 7 and I was dealt a A7 and the dealer showed a 3. Well, like Basic Strategy's computer simulated BEST way to play your hands stated, I bravely DOUBLED DOWN and the whole table got upset at me and it's just unfortunate that it was tooooooo evident at that time that the entire Table didn't know how to play Basic Strategy otherwise they wouldn't have said a single word when I doubled. Too bad I lost that hand...
BTW Grifter, he won $300,000 doing the exact same thing he told me ... you think he was lying about that just for me to play 1-1 against him? Doubtful. |
2003-06-25 11:11:44 |
| big daddy |
thanks d.d. |
2003-06-25 10:48:19 |
| Desert Dog |
b.d. - a positive count is no guarantee, just greater odds in your favor. 16's vs a dealer 10 can still happen. But if the count is positive and the the dealer has something between 12 and 16, he has to hit, and that's why a positive count helps the player, because a shoe rich in 10's will more likely make the dealer bust. Players don't have to hit if they're below 17 but the dealer always has to. |
2003-06-25 07:24:18 |
| acepaula |
Grifter/Bug--thanks for the info, my insticts on this say the number of players should not make a difference. I have also felt that other players stupid decisions really don't make a difference either, as they pretty much even out there impact on my play over time. Your thoughts? |
2003-06-25 07:14:00 |
| big daddy |
I have a question. If you're counting cards and the advantage is in your favor what's not to say the dealer won't end up with two kings while you end up hitting on 16? I'm still a little confused on how the advantage, even though slim, is in my favor and not the houses favor. Hope that makes sense. |
2003-06-25 06:53:58 |
| Grifter |
Bug/AcePaula.....Bug, your dealer "friend" is blowing you smoke. The house advantage, or disadvantage, is determined by the composition of the cards remaining to be played, NOT by the number of players at the table. Refer to Wong's "Professional Blackjack" for more on this subject. |
2003-06-25 04:39:31 |
| Grifter |
Bug.... Coug's answer about counting methods is as good as any. All of the Level 1 methods have ABOUT the same efficiency ratings and use nearly the same indices. Just find one you are comfortable with. |
2003-06-25 04:16:00 |
| Midnite |
First of all most dealers, are NOT good players. Bug- it is not that unusal to get a stiff, in a high count. It happens all the time. A lot of people don't really understand how counting works. They think if they can learn to count cards, they will win 70 or 80 % of their hands. Not hardly.... When you have a plus count you have a "small" advantage. |
2003-06-25 01:10:10 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Hahah.. that last message by "Bughousemaster" (notice the missing CaPitAliZation) was not me.. someone just wanted to be clever and repeat what I asked previously...
Coug Fan, thanks for the info. Now on using either of those counting systems, if you get a very high + count, you bet a lot right? well what do you do if you get dealt a sucky hand like 10 + 6 or 9+7? You know there's tons of heavy's remaining so you wouldn't hit on either of that, but if dealer shows 10 you're kinda screwed either way... would you say that THAT is just bad luck or what? |
2003-06-24 18:11:22 |
| Bughousemaster |
What do you all think about the ACE-5 System? I think it kinda sucks cuz in Vegas I got the count to +9-+10 so of course i bet a whole bunch and i ended up with a hard 16 hand against dealer's 10 up!! So... I guess i just got bad luck on the cards cuz everyone else on teh table (about 4 or 5 others) had 18-21 and i was stuck with the singlemost worst hand and i believe dealer had >=7 in the hole to automatically win.
I mean it's really easy to do (ace 5) but is it really as rewarding? because the high-low system is very good too, but some dealer's just deal TOO FAST!! i think the next time i go gambling (next week) i'll try out that dahl system tho... that's interesting.. but what do you guys think about ace-5 etc.? all feedback welcome!! |
2003-06-24 14:59:57 |
| Coug Fan |
Bughouse - I would recommend either Hi-lo or KO for 6 Deck. I prefer Hi-Lo, but KO might be better if you have trouble estimating unplayed decks or doing quick division by fractions to get the true count.
As far as dealers being too fast, just spend a while practicing with a deck of cards. After 4 or 5 hours of practice, you should be able to count the cards faster than you can flip them over, and faster than any dealer.
One trick is to flip over 2 cards at a time since many combinations will net to zero (10,6 or 9,8, etc). |
2003-06-24 14:59:14 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Grifter, thanks for the advise. What is a nice and easy counting system that you would recommend I use for 6 deck? (other people welcome to respond to this as well) That's what is available where I am from and since you pointed out that it is too weak for multi-deck, I prob. wont be using that system when I go next week for 2 nights. Have you heard of ADVANCED Basic Strategy? What system should I use instead?
Acepaula: To my understanding and from what I have heard from the dealers themself, playing heads up against brings it to a 50-50 game, since less people supposedly is better against the dealer. According to "Best Blackjack" book, you should never play with more then 3 players at a table at once because it only increases the house odds more. Also, what is common against 1-1 play is unorthodox moves such as hitting against their 6 or staying against their 10 (opposite moves) according to this one dealer who mentioned these facts to me and he even said that he used that exact same strategy to win $300,000 at a sister casino. But I have not had very much success with it myself... who knows. |
2003-06-24 13:49:54 |
| Grifter |
acepaula....There is no reason not to play "heads up" and the mathematical house advantage does not change....Many people prefer it because you get more 'action' as you mentioned. |
2003-06-24 13:36:04 |
| acepaula |
is there any reason not to play
bj one on one with the dealer?
I understand that your hands played per hour will increase significantly, but does the dealer have any mathmatical advantage over you that is different than if 4 or 5 players are at the table? |
2003-06-24 12:59:03 |
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