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| acepaula |
Mr Ed: thanks for the info-dahl looks like a system that will extend your playing time even when cards are cold. |
2003-06-19 19:07:13 |
| sld007 |
Mr. Ed - With BJ you go up one step with Dahl. You don't need real long winning streaks to come out ahead. Remember, this is guerilla BJ. You play for your 4 hours, win a little $$$, get a free hotel room and a free $400 dinner--that's it. It's not a career, but it is an adventure. |
2003-06-19 15:16:58 |
| Mr. Ed |
Acepaula: Dahl progression: 1,1,1.5,1.5,2,2,3,3. When you win, go up. If you push, pause. With BJ, go up two steps. Win double go up two. Lose, start over. When you get to the top, stay there until you loose. Lose 4 in a row, start over after the shuffle. It's nice because on a winning streak, you increase your bet with the "casino's" money. The bad part is that long winning streaks are rare. You don't need to count cards to use the Dahl system.
Mathmeticians will tell you that in the long run you will still loose at your expected rate (same as flat betting) Mssr. Dahl will show you 5000 side by side hands with a counter, flat better, and Dahl progressionist and will show you his system is better. Go to Yahoo!, type in "Dahl blackjack". Read the posts and you decide. Realize that bookstore sites won't give you a negative opinion. |
2003-06-19 12:02:42 |
| Mr. Ed |
...the most common ones are
insurance +3
stand 16v10 +0
hit 12v4 -0
Also, but not as common:
double 9v2 +1
double 11vA +2 (nope, this is not a mistake!)
double A8v6 +1
double A8v2 +2
There are many more variations, with declining value. Don Schlessinger lists his top 18 (aka the Illustriuos 18) and another 4 for surrender (the Fab 4). These are worthwhile learning, but what I've given you so far will give you most of the benefit from BS variations.
If you're using a $20 unit, don't worry about cover - just don't be stupid and say something like "Wow, the count is now +3, I think I'll increase my bet to $60"
And don't get nervous when the pit boss watches you. They need to watch your play to get your comps right. If you make eye contact - don't turn away - give him your frequent player card and say, "How many points do I have?"
When I started, the two hardest parts for me were: 1. adding and counting (I would ask the dealer, "how much is that?") 2. "Holding on" to the running count when I would order a drink. (I kept the count on my fingers under the table.)
Good luck! |
2003-06-19 11:41:46 |
| Mr. Ed |
I don't understand all the fuss about card counting. I think the hardest part is learning basic strategy. If you can learn basic strategy, you're more than halfway there. Here's all there is to it: 2-6 are +1, 10-A are -1. Keep a running total. But it's easier than that. Look at two cards: they'll usually cancel each other out, or one card will be nuetral. 10,2=0, 6,7=1. Now divide the running count by number of decks remaining, and truncate (round down). 12/7= one point some something - call it +1. Now you need a betting ramp. Your ramp is (1 units) x (true count), where 1 unit = (1/250) x (your bankroll). Bet 1/2 unit between -1 and +1 and below -1, go take a bathroom break or just sit out a hand. So if you have a $5000 bankroll, your unit is $20. If you can play 2 hands at +1 or higher, do so: your unit is 75% of your one hand unit. At +1, play 2 hands of $15.
There are variations from BS |
2003-06-19 10:39:59 |
| acepaula |
could somebody explain the dahl
progressive betting system? |
2003-06-19 10:26:46 |
| sld007 |
Desert Dog - I read that book and they required alot more than two people to pull it off. They had people staked out all over the casino. They had a shill st the table and then the BP would sit down and clean up. Yes they made a bunch but they were harassed, beaten up and eventually barred. They were brilliant minds at MIT who were back counting as a team into a six deck shoe. How many of us out there have the time, opportunity, available funds, let alone the brainpower required to do this? i much prefer the recreational funds that I have been able to win (between 500-2000) about 2/3 of the time using a modified Dahl type progression, with a 4 loss quit point and reasonable stop loss and stop win points. Sure I'll never get rich, but (a) I don't play BJ for a living and (b) I still have alot of fun, get a free trip wherever I go and (c) usually come out ahead anyway. Read Walter Thomason's book Twenty first century BJ about counting vs. progressive betting. You'd be surprised at the results. |
2003-06-19 08:31:42 |
| fat bum |
FUK U!! |
2003-06-19 04:11:01 |
| Desert Dog |
As far as I know, double-deck is always dealt face down. The only chance for counting is at the end of each hand, as Mr Ed says. You have to count them all really fast. If it was face up it would be too easy. The MIT gang that made millions counting cards played the (cards face up) six-deck shoe games at the high-limits sections of the big casinos on the Vegas strip, not the two-deck games downtown. It took two people at a table to do it. The book "Bringing Down the House" tells how. I won't give away any more details, but forget about trying this now. |
2003-06-18 20:22:40 |
| Mr. Ed |
(whoops, got cut off)...when players show their cards at the end of the hand. I don't know if there are any face up 2 deck games. |
2003-06-18 18:34:55 |
| Mr. Ed |
Wonderer, 2 decks are better than 8 because the removal of a single 10 has a bigger impact. If you can't see the cards, you can't count them, but most counters I know don't have a problem counting cards |
2003-06-18 18:31:12 |
| Mr. Ed |
Ralph, counters don't know if tens are behind the cut card. The assumption is that the distribution of remaining cards is the same in front and in back of the cut card. It may be wrong, it may be right. A shuffle tracker will attemp to put 10s in front of the cut card. |
2003-06-18 18:28:22 |
| Wonderer |
hELLO? Is there some reason you guys aren't answering BughouseMASTER? His post was quite lengthy and had some pretty interesting questions and points that some of you might care to answer... |
2003-06-18 15:08:13 |
| Ace |
Will be vacationing in Lake Tahoe in July, and have never been there. Staying south, near Stateline. Anybody know how the BJ is at casinos there? For example, what the minimums are? Thanks! |
2003-06-18 14:05:47 |
| Ralph |
I have played and read a good bit about blackjack. I have a question that perhaps can be answered here. How do counters take into account any tens that will be behind the cut card. Cant the count be out of whack if alot of tens are cut out of the deck? |
2003-06-18 14:01:46 |
| Mr. Ed |
Slick, like "surrender", there is no hand signal for "even money" you just have to speak to the dealer. But Trop is right, for the basic strategist, even money is a loosing bet. For the counter, take insurance (or even money) when the count is +3 or more (8 deck), no matter what your hand is. I get funny looks when I insure a 16, then surrender when it's my turn!
Finally, for the risk-averse counter, you might want to take insurance at a lower count, say +2, against high probability winners like BJ and 20. |
2003-06-18 12:17:01 |
| Mr. Ed |
Former Moron, if you're forced to sit at a table of morons, sit next to an old lady. They're generally very polite, they won't criticize your plays and they love getting attention from younger men.
But if you're talking about making more money, it doesn't matter where you sit, no matter how moronic your fellow players are.
I like 3rd base because I get plenty of time to see all the cards, and I can make the best decision for any BS deviations.
By the way, with multiple decks, you should double A8v6 at +1 or higher.
Finally, don't give advice at the table. If asked, say something like, "I would hit/stand, but it's a close call - do what your gut tells you to do." or "The book says to hit, but it's your call" The moron always forgets the winning advice and remembers and blames you for the loosing advice. You don't need the attention.
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2003-06-18 11:59:39 |
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