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| Grifter |
sld007 - Congrats! That is a win rate per hour of about 7 units. The "win streak gods" must have been workin' overtime for you.(g) |
2003-07-14 13:28:28 |
| Myth |
Thanks Bug and Deer Dog, I appreciate your help. All input was greatly appreciated from everybody. Have to go out of town for a week, looking forward to catching up when I return. |
2003-07-14 10:41:00 |
| sld007 |
midnite - I would add play at a casino with "friendly rules and tables". I just got back from the Horseshoe in Shreveport. Double on anything, split aces again, dealer stands on soft 17, dealers even "help" you out 'cause they like tips, great comps, plenty of BJ tables so you can table hop or back count (also no midshoe entry prohibited signs for you Wongers out there). I played at the $25 Dahl progression for about 5 hours on Sat and 6 hours on Sun and walked away with just under $2000 (and yes my big titted grilfriend made about $500 herself). I did see one thing that I had never saw before though. Guy stands with 14 against a 10 and then doubles on a hard 14 against a 5, saying "I thought that the dealer would bust so I wanted more money out there". HELLO. |
2003-07-14 10:16:38 |
| BJ Jedi |
Rule 12) Last but not least....have fun |
2003-07-14 09:02:50 |
| deer dog deluxe |
Midnite: great list of rules! I might add: Remember that you can't win all the time. Anytime you play a game, you enter a contract: somebody will win, somebody will lose. If you're not willing to be a loser once in a while (and I mean psychologically here, not just in terms of what you can "afford" to lose in cash), you're doomed. |
2003-07-14 07:00:04 |
| deer dog deluxe |
Myth: the best way for you to learn BS depends upon what kind of "learner" you are. Some people are good at memorizing data, hard cold bleary data, but others learn best with interaction and immediate feedback (and there are other ways too, of course). A couple of things about the hitorstand game that I've found very helpful: 1) Instant feedback when you make a mistake. Even if you don't exactly understand yet why one move is better than another, you'll know the right one, and a more complex understanding comes with time. 2) The game puts you in many situations where you just have to keep hitting and hitting, adding fast and hitting: in casino play, those moments when a player SHOULD take more than one card are numerous -- and as others have suggested, make for a lot of dumb nervous dithering and the putting on of the old chicken suit. When other players at the table, and often even the dealer, are all wincing because THEY'RE scared you're gonna bust or "steal the dealer's bust card," you must be brave, strong, SURE you know what you're doing. 3) As I said before, the time factor in the advanced & bonus rounds, help to make these responses automatic. There's a lot to distract you at the casino (no accident), a lot of personalities at the table with opinions, a lot to process. Your correct bj move shouldn't be one of the distractions. |
2003-07-14 06:42:47 |
| Grifter |
McFlaherty - The tables are similar, but not the same. I would strongly suggest using the tables that "go with the method". |
2003-07-14 05:11:45 |
| Midnite |
Michigan Dave ask for a list of my top 10 rules of BJ, so I will take a shot at it. (1) Discipline Has to be number one. You will need a lot of this. (2) Know Your Game. Don't sort of learn BS. Get it down pat. (3) Set Realistic Goals. Both winning and losing. It also does no good to set them and then not use them. Trying to win a thousand dollars, with a $20 buy in is not realistic. (4) Have the Courage of Your Convictions. Just because you hit a 10-2, when the delaer had a 7 showing and busted five times in a row, doesn't mean to stop hitting it. Never get caught up in the coulda/woulda/shoulda. (5) Money Management. Use some form of it. (6) Auttitude. have a winning attitude. If you "think" you will lose, you probably will. The best athletes all have winning attitudes.(7) Always be polite. Never blame the dealer or other players, when you are losing. If you don't like the dealer....Move. (8) Don't Drink or play when you are tired. There is a very good reason the drinks are "free". (9) Be Attentive. There will be times to make an advantage play, if you see it. Such as taking half of another player premimum double down, when he doesn't have enough chips to make it. (10) Nevr Play With Money You Can't Afford To Lose. There are probably a lot more and I am sure that I left some out. |
2003-07-14 02:04:53 |
| McFlaherty |
I was wondering... I've read the world's greatest blackjack book by Humble and Cooper, where they teach the hi-opt 1 counting system. Since I now use the hi-low system, am I able to use the same tables in the book that describe when not to follow basic strategy?? |
2003-07-13 23:25:02 |
| Desert Dog |
A friend of mine is a former floor manager at a casino in the east. He says when it first opened, they were making 30% on blackjack because most players didn't have a clue. It then settled down to 15-20% and the whole reason for that rather than just 1/2 of 1% is because so many players still play not knowing basic strategy. He said that while you'd think casinos would want more Roulette players because of the built-in house advantage of 5.76%, that advantage doesn't increase due inept play. So they allocate more space to blackjack tables. While it may appear the other are playing BS, they may only be doing the easy no-brainer part, such as not hitting 17's to 20's, standing on 13-16 if dealer shows 2-6, but when it comes to doubles, splits, and soft hands, they're lost. They're often also standing on those soft 17's and 18's. And then you've got the guys who won't hit 14 or higher, and the ones that are scared of splitting 8's against a dealer 10. (You think you're going somewhere good with that 16?) |
2003-07-13 20:20:50 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Hey Myth! That's what we're here for... yes, the game is messed up in that it contradicts hitting & standing on 12. You are supposed to HIT on 12 against dealer's 2 or 3 only to 13 (if you get dealt an Ace, stay). Dont worry about risking to bust because less then 1/3 of the cards will bust you (10 JQK). But.. if you have 12 against 4-6 ALWAYS STAND as that's the highest probability that the dealer will bust, with 6 being the highest @ nearly 43%. Also, when the dealer is showing 2/3 - those are known as the dealer's WILD hands because there are many cards that he can have underneath to give him a very good chance at making a nice hand. i.e. if he has 6-8 in the hole, you're in trouble if he draws a face coming up. Against other up cards, there's a lot more chances of him BUSTING or getting a stiff hand (12-16) then him having a 17-21 hand. One last thing, when dealer shows 2, only 4/13 cards will give him a stiff hand when the rest will only help him. Hope this makes sense, and yes! Memorize BS - all ~260 permutations!! |
2003-07-13 17:57:23 |
| Myth |
Thanks for clarifying that guys. Midnite, one of the things that confused me about the hitorstand game was that when I was showing a 10-2 and the dealer was a 6 or less, it told me to stand. But when I was showing a 9-3 it told me to hit. I dont understand what difference this makes.
Also, would it be a good idea for me to print off the tables on this sight and study them? Is the hitorstand game here a good way to learn? I am really intrigued with learning BS and making it work for me. I never realized that it can make such a difference in your odds of failure/success. (I realize on any given night you can win it all or go broke too though), and I appreciate the input you all have given me. |
2003-07-13 17:03:34 |
| Midnite |
Specs & Myth- Most players use some form of BS, but Very few really know it. They may know you don't hit a 10-6 when the dealer has a 6, but then stand when they have a 10-2 and the dealer is showing a 2. While it may be upsetting to many new players (and some older ones), how other players play their hands, has No Effect. Easiest way to explain it is : The player at third base has 10-6 and the dealer has 10-6 (you have 10-10) there are only two cards left to be played a 10 and a 5. Do you now want third base to hit or to stand ? Bottom line is it will make no difference. Half the time, when he hits, it will keep the dealer from making a hand (save the table) and half the time, by taking a hit, he will cost the table. With our selective memory we tend to remember the times that "if" he would have not taken a hit, we would have won and forget the times a bad play saved us. |
2003-07-13 16:30:41 |
| BuGhOu§eMASTER |
Specs, maybe at the casino you're playing :) But at the casino I play and from what I've seen from playing elsewhere, many people dont know BS at all, perhaps just a minute entity of it... but no, someone that plays terribly does not affect your game anymore than 4 Master professional card-counting BS'ers playing next to you does. It's just annoying and people rather not watch a dumbass play, like split 20's or doubledown on hard 12-16, etc. But I think the absolute WORST BJ move would be to double on a HARD 20 (altho I've never actually witnessed that, LoL). (Clearly they'd have more sense then to mess with a 21!!) But no, I dont think a lot of players know BS, especially at the lower ended tables such as 5-10 limit tables, but I do believe at the $25 & up min. tables they're more "wiser" players but then again there are equally dumb players who dont know how to play properly.
The one that REALLY pisses me off to see everytime I gamble is the fact that >90% of players take EVEN MONEY (they have BJ & dealer shows Ace up and trembbbbbbbbbbble and take Even Money not knowing that taking Even money is equal to taking INSURANCE!!)... I really hate that. Than, when they take even money and find out they dont have BJ, they complain like the world will not continue. §igh. Just ask some of the other experienced BJ players on here... they'll tell you the same too... |
2003-07-13 16:27:13 |
| Specs |
from just watching the way people play at casino's i can tell that almost all of them do use BS. my question was that when using bs and someone who sits before you plays with terrible BJ skills, would that effect the way you play? i have noticed that when a new bj player who doesnt really know what hes doing sits down, many leave the table or sit out a few hands. |
2003-07-13 14:54:56 |
| Myth |
Thanks for all of the input everyone, I appreciate it.
Just one quick question. From reading alot of the posts here, can I assume that the vast majority of players do not use BS? It sounds to me like alot of people dont even know it exists. |
2003-07-13 14:21:40 |
| Grifter |
Dawg - Midnite respectfully declined the wager (g). |
2003-07-13 11:17:43 |
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