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| Desert Dog |
Myth, what you heard about needing a big bankroll is not about Basic Strategy. You need to know BS like your own name before playing for ANY amount. There's a belief out there that the effort and risk of counting cards is only worth it if you have a big bankroll so that the statistically slim edge counting gives you will actually result in worthwhile wins. And to sustain you through bad streaks, as counting is never a guarantee. We can always ask Midnite and Grifter to debate this further in front of Treasure Island. |
2003-07-13 10:59:36 |
| Desert Dog |
Specs, when you can't double down on A-5 and A-6, you Hit. But on A-7 vs dealer 2 thru 8 (including the 3 thru 6 where you'd want to double) you stand; A-7 vs dealer 9, 10, or A, you hit. My advice is don't play where doubling is only allowed on 9-10-11. However the rule I just stated is still needed for three card soft 16's thru 18's too.
A-7 is always tricky. Even when you can double down, you Stand vs 2, Double vs 3 thru 6, Stand vs 7 or 8, and Hit vs 9,10 or A. All the softs from A-2 thru A-6 are either Hit or Double, and of course A-8 and A-9 are always Stand. You often get other players reacting negatively when you double or hit A-6 or A-7. Ignore them. They're the reason the casino actually makes 10-20% on its BJ tables rather than just the statistical House Adv of 1/2 of 1% against those who play right. |
2003-07-13 10:50:35 |
| Specs |
this pay have been posted already but i was wondering what to do on a soft 16-18 when u can only double when u have 9-11 |
2003-07-13 09:06:07 |
| Michigan Dave |
Midnite- May be you or some other posters could post your top 10 rules of BJ for new guys like me. Thanks. |
2003-07-13 07:18:31 |
| Michigan Dave |
Myth- Good Morning and welcome to the friendliest BJ site on tne web. Being a newbie like you I can't advise like The Grifter, Midnite Gambler or Trop Guy etal, but here a few tips I have picked up from these experts. 1. BS should be MORE automatic than kowing your age. 2. Have a properly sized bankroll so you can get through the lean times at the table. 3. Have a proper exit strategy. 4. Don't drink. 5. Don't take money you can't afford to lose. 6. Most of all, HAVE FUN. Previous posts should help you with these. Enjoy! |
2003-07-13 07:12:30 |
| RonT |
NorCalBJ-Comps in my previous post I said number of hours played but forgot to mention they use 80 hands per hour so for 1 hour a $10 bettor's comps here would be: $10 table min times 80 hands(hour play) times expected casino profit (2% from average player and .43% from basic strategy player) times comp return percentage (20% here not much competition) and it works out to $3.20 for average player and $.70 basic strategy player. |
2003-07-13 06:56:34 |
| Midnite |
Myth- It may be easier for you to start out on the Normal board. There is no time limit there, until you get to the bonus round. |
2003-07-13 06:50:55 |
| Myth |
Thanks for the welcome guys. Ive been playing the advanced hitormiss game for quite a while now (whew! what a job trying to add up all those cards + think of how to use BS in 4 seconds lol) and have been using the BS tables in between hands to help me out. Those soft 18's get me every time lol. Anywho, thanks again for the advice fellas, I appreciate it. |
2003-07-13 06:23:32 |
| Midnite |
Myth-Welcome aboard and ditto on what Grifter and Dear Dog Deluxe said. Basic strategy is the FIRST thing you should learn. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't play a hand of BJ until you have it down pat. From there how far you want to go, is up to you. |
2003-07-13 06:21:26 |
| Grifter |
NorCalBJ – As Midnite and RonT pointed out, comps vary but the generally accepted “rule of thumb” formula for blackjack is a follows……(Average Bet times Hands Played) times Percent House Advantage times Forty Percent. That will get you close to what you should expect. |
2003-07-13 05:46:32 |
| deer dog deluxe |
Myth: you've found the site where you can learn basic strategy -- and it's practically painless! Click on the tab above to play "The Game." When I was learning, I played a half an hour a day for a couple of weeks. The great thing about the time factor in the "Advanced" hands, and the bonus rounds is that it forces you to learn the rules by rote. You won't dither at the bj table (unless you want to increase the drama): you'll always KNOW what to do. |
2003-07-13 05:43:12 |
| Grifter |
Myth – Welcome to the board. I’ll start and I’m sure others will jump in. Basic strategy is MANDATORY for anyone who wants to play blackjack. It doesn’t matter if you are a low-roller, high-roller, novice, experienced, counter, progression player, or whatever. In your case as a casual player, without basic strategy you are giving the casino an advantage of between 2% to 10% depending on how well, or how bad, you play the game. With perfect basic strategy you can IMMEDIATELY reduce the house advantage to about .5% for a typical six deck game. |
2003-07-13 05:26:10 |
| Myth |
I'm sorry for cluttering up this section of the board, I just felt it was necessary for me to explain my last post.
I did not mean for it to sound like BS is not a worthwhile tool, it was just that I had read that unless you are using a really big bank role it may not help you any. I'm sorry if my previous post came out wrong. Thanks for any help you may be able to provide. |
2003-07-13 05:11:18 |
| Grifter |
Paulie57 – Good post about the Ace/Five and the A/5 website. One note of caution. I THINK most of the folks on this site play a six deck game with the dealer hitting a Soft17, and an EV of approx -0.52%. The author on the website uses an EV of -0.32% for his 6D stats, which means he is probably playing a game where the dealer stands on a Soft17 and the game has late surrender. Therefore the stats he gives for a player advantage of +0.27% equate to a player advantage of only +0.07% (or basically even) for the game most of you play, and the break even system would still leave you with an EV of approx -0.20%. |
2003-07-13 04:51:18 |
| RonT |
NorCalBJ-Let me expand a little more on how Comps are figured in my neck of the woods (Conn). They use the table minimum bet, times the number of hours played, times the casinos expected profit from the player(2% for an average player and .43% basic strategy player) times their return of profit policy which is 20%. So for a $10 minimum table it works out to $3.20 for an average player and $0.70 per hour for a perfect basic strategy player. |
2003-07-13 04:41:54 |
| Myth |
One more thing, would it even be worth my time to learn about BS since Im not playing high dollar games? |
2003-07-13 04:28:45 |
| Myth |
Hi fellas, first time visiter to this sight. I am a casual player, and do 99% of my playing at smaller stakes tables. Although I am not playing for big money, I would still like to know more about what I am doing. Right now I am what some you would call a "player that annoys the hell out of me" lol.
Anyways, I found this sight and have been reading the forums pretty well all night and to be honest I am a little intimidated by what Im reading. Things such as progressive strategies etc. have got me confused and it all sounds very advanced. Also, can I assume that I would have to learn to count cards in order to increase my odds at all?
Lastly, I was wondering if any of you could refer me to a place where I could learn the ins and outs of BS. Also, just how valuable is BS?
Any suggestions or answers would be appreciated. Thanks. |
2003-07-13 04:27:45 |
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